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    hi,


    I have a large Max patch being controlled by wii controllers via Osculator. I'm using [midiinfo] to fill a [umenu] with all of the control inputs.


    If I start Osculator before Max, I end up with 2 instances of osculator in the menu, neither of which works. If I start Max first,then launch Osculator, then rebang the [midiinfo] to update the list, I get one osculator, which works as expected.


    I also checked in the Midi setup dialogue in Max after launching osculator first, and can see that there are 2 instances showing up there as well. So it's not some strangeness with [midiinfo].


    Does this description make sense? Any idea what's going on? And is it fixable!


    ... Just checked something else. If I start off with the non-working state, then quit and relaunch Osculator, everything goes back to how it should be (ie 1 instance, working)!


    thanks


    DAvid


  • #2


    Hi David,


    It would be useful if you could share a Max patch that demonstrates this problem.

    Also, I guess you are using the latest version, but version number of OSCulator could help.

    I have no known problems with version 2.9.1 regarding MIDI output.


    Best,

    Cam

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    • #3


      Osculator v 2.9.1


      The issue was showing up in the Midi dialogue in Max, before I loaded the patch, but here it is anyway ...


      (of course I've just tried following the same sequence and the problem hasn't shown up (sigh). I'll reboot my mac and see what difference that makes, then report back).
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      </pre>

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      • #4


        Hmm, my last post didn't show up ...


        VErsion 2.9.1


        I had another go and the problem and disappeared, so I rebooted my mac and started again.

        First launch Osculator, then launch Max. Open MidiSetup window which shows 2 of

        input OSCulator Out

        and one of

        output OSCulator In (8000)

        both in the middle of the list.


        This is before I even open a patch.


        Don't know if it's relevant, but I also have a nanoPAD attached via USB, and a Pro10IO (0882) Plug 1.

        My startup procedure with OSCulator is - launch, then connect at least 1 wii controller. (Then launch Max)


        If I now quit & relaunch OSCulator, then close and open the Max MIDI setup window, only the expected number of OSCulator ins and outs show up, at the end of each part of the list.


        If I now quit both programmes, then launch OSCulator followed by Max (ie the troublesome sequence) then it works properly, so something about rebooting must clear something somewhere, that isn't cleared by just quitting both programmes.


        So the issu is either to do with Max, or OSCulator, or the interaction of the two - my patch is absolved!


        David

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        • #5


          Ok David, thanks for the detailed info. I'll try to pin down the issue you described. I am using the latest version of Max.

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          • #6


            I'm running 5.1.1. I'll download 5.1.2 and try it out to see if there's any difference. Though that may not be till later tomorrow now - depends how quickly I get the update installed.

            Comment


            • #7


              That was quicker than I thought - and 5.1.2 has the same problem.

              It looks like this...



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              • #8


                How weird. I've tested this on my Mac with 10.6.2, and I can't reproduce the problem.

                What is the operating system version?

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                • #9


                  Funny, I've found that if you do "MIDI Setup …" when a MIDI Setup window is already present it crashes Max/MSP. On 5.1.2 too …


                  Anyway, if you have the time please look in the Console.app application. There is some chance that OSCulator logs something abnormal. However, I'm pretty sure that there is no chance it creates two different instances of a virtual output.


                  The problem could also come from the OS X MIDI Server. I've read on other forums that some users had problems with permissions not being correctly set. The fix to this is to run "repair disk permissions" in the Disk Utility application. It never harms to check that from time to time.

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                  • #10


                    OSX 10.5.8 (sorry - I usually remember to put all this info in my first post!)


                    Here's some stuff from Console. Would it be useful if I step thru my startup process and report Console results step by step? And I'll run Cocktail to repair permissions now.


                    28/01/2010 15:17:16 [0x0-0x84084].net.osculator.OSCulator[613] "disk1" unmounted.

                    28/01/2010 15:17:16 [0x0-0x84084].net.osculator.OSCulator[613] "disk1" ejected.

                    28/01/2010 15:22:47 OSCulator[196] Failed to assign a unique ID to OSCulator's virtual MIDI output.

                    28/01/2010 15:22:52 OSCulator[196] Filter sens: a=0.3000, b=0.0003, c=1.0000

                    28/01/2010 15:22:52 OSCulator[196] Filter sens: a=0.3000, b=0.0003, c=1.0000

                    28/01/2010 17:17:35 RemoteHelper[158] ProcessHandler: appSwitched: net.osculator.OSCulator

                    28/01/2010 17:17:39 OSCulator[191] Failed to assign a unique ID to OSCulator's virtual MIDI output.

                    28/01/2010 17:24:18 RemoteHelper[158] ProcessHandler: appSwitched: net.osculator.OSCulator

                    28/01/2010 17:24:32 RemoteHelper[158] ProcessHandler: appSwitched: net.osculator.OSCulator

                    28/01/2010 17:26:23 RemoteHelper[158] ProcessHandler: appSwitched: net.osculator.OSCulator

                    28/01/2010 17:27:30 RemoteHelper[158] ProcessHandler: appSwitched: net.osculator.OSCulator

                    28/01/2010 17:27:40 RemoteHelper[158] ProcessHandler: appSwitched: net.osculator.OSCulator

                    28/01/2010 17:29:38 RemoteHelper[158] ProcessHandler: appSwitched: net.osculator.OSCulator

                    28/01/2010 18:10:15 OSCulator[253] Failed to assign a unique ID to OSCulator's virtual MIDI output.

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                    • #11


                      Did all that and tried again. Same issue. I kept an eye on Concole as I went throught he process, and the "failed to assign" message comes up when I quit OSculator prior to restarting it. (IE - Start Osc, start Max, quit Osc - console message appears. Restart Osc, everything works.)


                      (As an aside - I see that you're running Max 5 on OSX 10.6. Does it work ok? I've been holding off on upgrading my music laptop as I use a lot of 3rd party stuff, and I was concerned that my work patch might break!)

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                      • #12


                        ok, the "failed to assign a unique MIDI ID" must be a consequence of the problem you are having. I will search what can be the cause of this message. Are you using several documents or only one at a time?


                        I am running 10.6 but I will test on 10.5. If you are using 10.4 Tiger, then I can test but it will take a little longer as I don't have a daily access to such machine. Please tell me what system you are using.


                        As I am supporting both these systems there should be no difference, and don't think the system upgrade should be motivated by the incentive to run OSCulator with Max, it should just work!

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                        • #13


                          OSX 10.5.8 at the moment. When you say documents do yo mean OSculator docs? In which case it's just one. With Max, I'm getting the issue even before I open any docs.

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                          • #14


                            Tried disconnecting all USB stuff, leaving on ly the audio interface connected via FW400. Issue persists, so it's nothing to do with external hardware (I assume)

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                            • #15


                              Hi David,


                              I think I have found the cause of the problem.

                              Your MIDI Server (what is used internally to send MIDI events) takes a long time to "boot" in some way. Could you please try to start OSCulator, open an empty document and wait 10 seconds (worst case) before attempting anything?

                              In any case, I will send you a new build that will fix this problem.


                              Best,

                              Camille

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